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T O P I C R E V I E WAstro keenIt would be interesting to read what is it that they talk about. They may exchange spells and relate magical happenings. Perhaps it will be similar to some of the threads here.mirage29 .... ScarletMoonMagic is a youtube channel.His website, forum. http://www.integrativemysticism.com/forum.html#/magick-and-witchcraft/ (I haven't participated, but I knew about his forum.)PixieJaneThe number of forums are dwindling. The only one that I know of still operating (and accepting new members) with any life left is this one: http://ecauldron.com/forum/forum.php Interesting enough, I believe the forum owner there is also named Randall, though he seems different from our Randall here at LL.I joined for awhile to bounce some ideas off of them for my far future scifi (where many neopagan religions of today have become major religions), but it was different from 10 years ago and longer. Back then it really was a lot more about the magic and paranormal, and there was a lot of humor. It's different these days, and I don't find myself attracted to such forums anymore, mainly because the humor is about gone. That aside, if you want to read some witchy topics, here's a good one: http://www.witchvox.com/ Note: while many are neopagan (not to be confused with Wicca, which is a specific form of neopaganism just as Druids, Asatru, and the like are), not all are. Nor are all witches (though it's the default assumption at witchvox). And just as a headsup, not all Wiccans are witches, and many witches are not Wiccan. You can even find atheist witches (they believe in the paranormal and magic, but not gods). Astro keenThank you, both. This area is indeed rich and complex, in keeping with the subject. Will enjoy browsing thru these links .PJ, I like the notion of atheist witches - believing only what can be tested or worked with. I am sometimes inclined to believe in the existence of paranormal, even angelic beings but not a single creator. Of course it leaves many questions unanswered.RandallRandalls do rock.mirage29 quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Thank you, both. This area is indeed rich and complex, in keeping with the subject. Will enjoy browsing thru these links .PJ, I like the notion of atheist witches - believing only what can be tested or worked with. I am sometimes inclined to believe in the existence of paranormal, even angelic beings but not a single creator. Of course it leaves many questions unanswered.I heard a kind-of-joke the other day-- that one of the things satan does is to go around convincing people that he does NOT exist. And I guess there are others who go around saying that GOD doesn't exist, either.'Available-power' maybe can be compared to having little lakes and streams. There's 'something' feeding them, or else they wouldn't exist. The power available is like stored-energy in batteries. There was Something that made the power... power comes from Power (or, a Source).{Just being philosophical today.} Glad you enjoyed the refs. They have forums if you look around their websites a bit. PJ, I used to read posts in VOX. I'm not into the devilish, but I knew some of the persons involved on that site, and I cared about what happened to them. (Of course, both of you already know that I am a core christ'ian-first-- just in case people are here for the first time.)... And I have a curiosity about the mechanics (meta-mechanics) of consciousness and power. PixieJaneThere are also Christian witches, though this is startling to some...not sure why since it has a long tradition, and you can easily find even traditional examples from Mexico and South America (though they usually don't call themselves witches, or if they do then it's "white witch," but it's pretty standard witchcraft with a Christian paintjob). Due to the general hostility by Christianity toward witchcraft, it creates negative karma which causes some neopagans and such to automatically bristle at anything Christian, and thus those calling themselves "Christian Witch" can find themselves generally shunned by about everyone.mirage29That makes sense, PJ!Astro keenAs far as I can see the practice of 'Magic' is not hugely different from everyday Church practices.We talked about this in another thread - how does a prayer differ from a spell - and the difference seems to be in the belief of your personal power, so one asks and the other decrees. The Christian (Catholic?) lights a candle in church while the witch lights one at home. Prayers to the god, the holy spirit, angels, or the universal soul are involved in both. The term 'witchcraft' has become derogatory and marginal to main religious practices when actually that is all it is - another way of communicating with the paranormal (a term that includes God).Hinduism and Buddhism abound with witchcraft like rituals - burning incense, candles, fire; placing auspicious things - food (rice, nuts, herbs, ghee) in a fire, before a deity or on a symbol. Then chanting mantras. People perform a brief service at the start of each day. There is tons of literature on the meaning of each symbol/artifact and how it relates to either a god or one's chakras. 1.5 billion people would be very surprised to learn that what they do is 'witchcraft' or 'magic'. mirage29SUCH a great point, Astro_keen! ... PJ--(haha, I saw the joke you left about the candle and the barren-couple, good one)RandallIt really was a great joke.RandallShe finds good ones.Astro keenMirage, I agreed with all you said in your post (why delete?). There is a real danger of the ritual becoming an end in itself rather than a tool to help us focus better, or a reminder of various stages that need to be observed, such as grounding and protection when healing. Rituals, just as you pointed out, can encourage superstitions and fear.mirage29Thanks Astro_keen. The Universe responds to our symbolic acts.Randall quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Mirage, I agreed with all you said in your post (why delete?). There is a real danger of the ritual becoming an end in itself rather than a tool to help us focus better, or a reminder of various stages that need to be observed, such as grounding and protection when healing. Rituals, just as you pointed out, can encourage superstitions and fear.RandallNever underestimate the power of symbolism.RandallYep, rituals go way back.
His website, forum. http://www.integrativemysticism.com/forum.html#/magick-and-witchcraft/
(I haven't participated, but I knew about his forum.)
Interesting enough, I believe the forum owner there is also named Randall, though he seems different from our Randall here at LL.
I joined for awhile to bounce some ideas off of them for my far future scifi (where many neopagan religions of today have become major religions), but it was different from 10 years ago and longer. Back then it really was a lot more about the magic and paranormal, and there was a lot of humor. It's different these days, and I don't find myself attracted to such forums anymore, mainly because the humor is about gone.
That aside, if you want to read some witchy topics, here's a good one: http://www.witchvox.com/
Note: while many are neopagan (not to be confused with Wicca, which is a specific form of neopaganism just as Druids, Asatru, and the like are), not all are. Nor are all witches (though it's the default assumption at witchvox). And just as a headsup, not all Wiccans are witches, and many witches are not Wiccan. You can even find atheist witches (they believe in the paranormal and magic, but not gods).
PJ, I like the notion of atheist witches - believing only what can be tested or worked with. I am sometimes inclined to believe in the existence of paranormal, even angelic beings but not a single creator. Of course it leaves many questions unanswered.
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Thank you, both. This area is indeed rich and complex, in keeping with the subject. Will enjoy browsing thru these links .PJ, I like the notion of atheist witches - believing only what can be tested or worked with. I am sometimes inclined to believe in the existence of paranormal, even angelic beings but not a single creator. Of course it leaves many questions unanswered.
I heard a kind-of-joke the other day-- that one of the things satan does is to go around convincing people that he does NOT exist. And I guess there are others who go around saying that GOD doesn't exist, either.
'Available-power' maybe can be compared to having little lakes and streams. There's 'something' feeding them, or else they wouldn't exist. The power available is like stored-energy in batteries. There was Something that made the power... power comes from Power (or, a Source).
{Just being philosophical today.} Glad you enjoyed the refs. They have forums if you look around their websites a bit.
PJ, I used to read posts in VOX. I'm not into the devilish, but I knew some of the persons involved on that site, and I cared about what happened to them.
(Of course, both of you already know that I am a core christ'ian-first-- just in case people are here for the first time.)... And I have a curiosity about the mechanics (meta-mechanics) of consciousness and power.
Due to the general hostility by Christianity toward witchcraft, it creates negative karma which causes some neopagans and such to automatically bristle at anything Christian, and thus those calling themselves "Christian Witch" can find themselves generally shunned by about everyone.
We talked about this in another thread - how does a prayer differ from a spell - and the difference seems to be in the belief of your personal power, so one asks and the other decrees. The Christian (Catholic?) lights a candle in church while the witch lights one at home. Prayers to the god, the holy spirit, angels, or the universal soul are involved in both.
The term 'witchcraft' has become derogatory and marginal to main religious practices when actually that is all it is - another way of communicating with the paranormal (a term that includes God).
Hinduism and Buddhism abound with witchcraft like rituals - burning incense, candles, fire; placing auspicious things - food (rice, nuts, herbs, ghee) in a fire, before a deity or on a symbol. Then chanting mantras. People perform a brief service at the start of each day. There is tons of literature on the meaning of each symbol/artifact and how it relates to either a god or one's chakras. 1.5 billion people would be very surprised to learn that what they do is 'witchcraft' or 'magic'.
PJ--(haha, I saw the joke you left about the candle and the barren-couple, good one)
The Universe responds to our symbolic acts.
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Mirage, I agreed with all you said in your post (why delete?). There is a real danger of the ritual becoming an end in itself rather than a tool to help us focus better, or a reminder of various stages that need to be observed, such as grounding and protection when healing. Rituals, just as you pointed out, can encourage superstitions and fear.
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